Welcome to the War Room, where Yahoo Sports’ football minds kick around the key subjects of the day. Today, we’re talking New York Giants misery and buying in on QB futures. Let’s begin!
1. How much trouble are the New York Giants in, now and for the long term?
The answer here has to be BIG trouble, both now and in the future. After losing three receivers for the season, including Odell Beckham Jr., there’s no way the already inept offense will be able to score points. Look at the schedule for the rest of the season and tell me one slam-dunk game New York will win, I’ll wait. It’s time for Giants fans to realize 0-16 is a VERY real possibility. The defense, the team’s alleged strength, has given up late fourth quarter leads in three straight games and isn’t close to the same dominant unit it was last year. Beyond 2017, things could get worse, if that’s even fathomable. The rest of the NFC East have their quarterbacks of the future and all look like they are REALLY good, New York’s two best (relative term) offensive linemen are heading toward free agency, and the cash-strapped team will ultimately have to decide between paying either Beckham Jr. or Landon Collins. Ben McAdoo is clearly in over his head and Jerry Reese’s days are numbered in the front office. It’s a bona fide mess in New York and there doesn’t appear to be an easy fix this season or anytime soon.
Remember when the Giants’ biggest issue was the lack of a true running back? Man, those were the days. That might not even crack New York’s top five problems right now. So, yeah. The Giants are in deep McAdoo doo. Though it’s hard to blame it all on the head coach. Look at GM Jerry Reese’s draft picks going back to 2007. He’s drafted just two offensive linemen in the first round (and after taking Justin Pugh in 2009, Eli Manning was sacked a career-high 39 times). It’s truly amazing Manning hasn’t snapped in half yet. When you put all of your capital in playmakers — and hardly any in the guys who protect them — this type of downfall is inevitable. Now the Giants have no running back, oft-injured wide outs, a young tight end and an aging quarterback. I’m not sure where you begin fixing this team, but any thoughts of rebuilding on the fly are getting harder and harder to imagine. Now look at the rest of the NFC East. Dallas, Philadelphia and even Washington look ready to contend for division and Super Bowl titles for the next five years at least. The road back to relevance for New York will not be fun.
Where to start? They have a quarterback who, for the past two seasons, looks like he’s on the decline. Their best player just suffered a gruesome ankle injury. Their head coach seems to be in over his head and in danger of losing his job. General manager Jerry Reese can’t feel too comfortable. It seems strange to say about a team that we saw in a playoff game this calendar year, but this team seems like it might be headed to a large rebuild. And they might need that rebuild, especially if they believe Eli Manning needs to be replaced soon. There is still some defensive talent on the roster so it’s not entirely dire, but the Giants are in need of a reboot.
The Giants are a full blown disaster. Jerry Reese and Ben McAdoo must go: Reese because he has no understanding of how to draft — selecting just two offensive linemen in the first round over the past decade — and McAdoo because he couldn’t lead a horse to water. Players don’t respect him and for all the talk of being an offensive guru, his lack of creativity is appalling. The amount of slants this team runs reminds you of a high school football game. Eli Manning meanwhile, has next to nothing left. I actually really like rookie Davis Webb from Cal. The sooner he gets on the field, the better.
Shalise Manza Young
In the immortal words of Mike Francesa, “What. A. Disastah.” And not just for the Giants – yours truly here picked New York to be the NFC representative in the Super Bowl when we made our picks at the start of the season! But I digress. The Giants’ offensive line is atrocious (Eli Manning is on pace to be sacked 41 times, most in his career), there isn’t much in the way of a running game, and they’ve lost three receivers to major injuries. Jerry Reese should have been gone when Tom Coughlin was pushed out, but he wasn’t, thought it was imperative to keep Ben McAdoo, and we’re looking at the reality that the New York team that’s in the running for the No. 1 overall pick isn’t the Jets.
Blow it up. Blow it all up. Burn the grass to its roots. Trench the field and salt the earth. Remove the letters E-L-I from the team’s entire lexicon. (Yes, this means from here on out, the Gants will play at MTF Stadum. That sounds about right.) This is the just and deserved fate that the Giants have brought upon themselves for leaping up and vulturing away two Super Bowls and then fading into irrelevance, the deal with the devil come due. Incinerate it all and start over.
Well, maybe keep the defense. That’s not terrible.
2. You’ve got to pick one quarterback to run your team for the next 10 years. Whom do you pick, and why?
Consider Green Bay’s Week 5 comeback in Dallas: After the Cowboys took a 3-point lead with 73 seconds remaining, Aaron Rodgers proceeded to march down the field — calling his own plays mind you — culminating the game-winning drive with a touch throw to DaVante Adams delivered from the football gods. It didn’t matter that he was missing Jordy Nelson or that a rookie running back flanked him in the backfield or that his starting left tackle was sidelined. “That’s what we do, baby,” Rodgers yelled on his way to the locker room.
Such is the beauty of Rodgers. He’s a magician with the football and like a Tom Brady or a Joe Montana — a killer who evokes a fear into opposing defenses when the game is on the line. In fact, Sunday’s game-winner to Adams was his fourth touchdown pass in the final 30 seconds of regulation since 2014. That leads the NFL, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Remember, Rodgers keeps himself in peak physical condition, thanks to a consistent dose of yoga and healthy eating. Brady is 40, and I fully expect Rodgers to be the elite quarterback in football for at least the next seven years. –Schultz
I’ll take Aaron Rodgers, even though he’s 33. Wouldn’t even think twice about it. I’ll take the otherworldly skills of Rodgers for the 5-7 prime years he has left and deal with the repercussions after rather than take 10 full seasons from Deshaun, Dak, Derek or any other young quarterback in the league right now. If you saw Sunday’s win against the Cowboys, you know exactly why that’s my pick. –Schwab
The correct answer here is Aaron Rodgers. But he’s turning 34 years old this season and as much as Tom Brady’s career arc, plus Rodgers’ ability to stay relatively healthy, push me to believe the Packers’ quarterback will continue to dominate for another decade, I just can’t do it. So I’ll take the next best option: Give me Matt Ryan and his career quarterback rating of 93.5. Ryan is similarly durable to Rodgers, starting every Falcons regular season game since 2010, has tossed 245 touchdowns and averages about 265 yards per game. At 32 years old he’s still got plenty of time left to maintain true “Matty Ice” status, too. I love Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and am really high on Deshaun Watson, but in the NFL, you go with what you know. I know Matt Ryan is a bonafide star at the highest level and I’m rolling with him. –Schuster
A decade? That’s a long time, and is why, as Blake noted, it’s hard to say Aaron Rodgers. So I’ll go with 26-year-old Derek Carr. Last year, in his third year in the league, he led the Raiders to seven fourth-quarter comebacks – in 12 wins, and there’s no way of knowing how much better Oakland would have done in the playoffs if he hadn’t suffered a broken leg in the 15th game of the season. His teammates love him, and he has a great perspective on the NFL and his role after watching what his brother went through with the expansion Texans. –Young
Four years ago if you’d asked this question, the answer would’ve been Robert Griffin III. Three years ago: Colin Kaepernick. Two years ago: Andy Dalton. Last year: Andrew Luck. Point being: nobody knows a damn thing. So I’ll roll the dice and go with Patrick Mahomes II, currently cooling out behind Alex Smith but soon to be a starter in what’s shaping up like a very Brett Favre-Aaron Rodgers-esque situation. (Shut up. I’m allowed a little hype here.) Also of note: when the 2027 season dawns, Jimmy Garoppolo will still be backing up Tom Brady, who’ll be hanging on at age 50 with mystic mango-avocado syrup in his bloodstream. –Busbee
I’ll take Carson Wentz. Sure, he’s only in his second year, but at 24 years old, the Eagles quarterback already looks like he’s the real deal. Wentz has every characteristic you want in a franchise QB: Great size, good mobility, and has proven his toughness by starting all 16 games of his rookie year despite suffering a rib injury in the preseason. Five games into 2017, Wentz is on track to throw for more than 4,000 yards, 30 touchdowns and complete better than 62 percent of his passes. Oh, and he has the Eagles atop the NFC East with a 4-1 record. –Sulla
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Jay Busbee is a writer for Yahoo Sports and the author of EARNHARDT NATION, on sale now at Amazon or wherever books are sold. Contact him at firstname.lastname@example.org or find him on Twitter or on Facebook.
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